Forums

Search Forum Home

Discussions

We Have Not Vaccinated Our Children:

The Experience ...

Re: The Experience of an Unvaccinated Child

eleanor

13 posts

Re: The Experience of an Unvaccinated Child
Posted: 30 Aug 07 1:14 PM

Smudge, Here are some of the ones i have used getting braver as I got to know more! 1. He has a bad cold (gives you a gap until the next visit. 2. He is allergic to eggs 3. It is against my religion 4. If you can guarantee that these vaccinations will have no adverse affect on my child in the long term then I will (they can't guarantee this, she will tell you you can't guarantee anything in science) however in this case there are NO long term studies carried out as to the effects in later life such as teenage cancers etc. 5. Why would I give my daughter a rubella injection when there is no danger of her getting pregnant until at least 16 years of age. She will tell you that you are doing it to protect other pregnant women who come in contact with your child. You are not prepared to take that risk when all same pregnant woman has to do is take a ruebella test before she gets pregnant. 6. Could you give me more information such as research on which are healthier vaccinated or unvaccinated children. She can't as surprisingly this study has never been done. 7. Now I am very brave and just say 'over my dead body!! P.s. If you look at the section at the beginning of this website it poses 10 questions that should be asked and gives you the answers. If you pose these to your health officials it will shut them up because fact is there is very little research done on the long term implications of vaccination and basically your child is the guinea pig. Hope this is of some help, but as the mother of two very healthy 9 and 8 year old believe me they stop asking after a while coz they don't like looking stupid.

eleanor

13 posts

Re: The Experience of an Unvaccinated Child
Posted: 30 Aug 07 1:18 PM

Sorry I should have said the questions posed are on the home page under information and when it opens 2nd row down Questions. Click on each question it gives you the answer. You will know the answer when you ask the question, I bet you health professional won't.

Renie

2 posts

Re: The Experience of an Unvaccinated Child
Posted: 04 Mar 08 7:44 AM

My children, ages 5 and 8, also are entirely unvaccinated and very healthy. Never needed an antibiotic or had strep or an ear infection. We are Americans who lived in Central Asia for 3 years. There, both children caught mumps, the spring of 2006, and whooping cough the summer of 2006, the same summer that Molly and Isabell contracted it in the UK. They were ages 3 and 5; the three year old was still breastfeeding so she stayed well hydrated, and they both did fine. They were never officially diagnosed with these things but the people they caught them from were, so it was pretty obvious. And with either mumps or pertussis, you don't need a doctor's diagnosis, it is plain to see just reading a paragraph on each illness and matching the symptoms. The doctor and nurses in our family in the States were probably thinking this would teach us a lesson on not vaccinating our children. It actually did the opposite; it taught us that what we had read about these illnesses not being life-threatening was true. My experience with mumps is that the main thing is the sore throat. The children didn't eat for two days so I just kept lots of liqid in them. The swelling was comical and we got some photos. My already chubby children had enormous cheeks/jaw areas. It reminded me of a flu plus the silly looking swelling. One week, one side would swell up, the second week, the other. They stayed home for one or two weeks, I don't remember, not because they felt bad, but because others could catch it, and they looked too funny! They only lied around for two days. The younger child didn't really lie around at all, just said her throat hurt. I recall the fever being 101 or 102 for a day or so also. The children caught mumps from an Uzbek playmate whose mother had us to dinner when he was sick. Later, when I told her my children had mumps (the Russian word for it is translated "little pig" because of the swelling, she said very matter of factly, "Oh, Rustam had mumps when you visited last month." Kind of like, "oh, yeah, your kids got that cold from my kids." I found it very enlightening how other cultures view these dreadful diseases. LOL. Whooping cough can be serious and life-threatening for babies (I never found out what happened with Eloise - where is part 2 of the Molly and Isabell journal?) but for my 3 and 5 year old it was just annoying and some lost sleep. About five neighborhood kids got it (from us, presumably) before we knew the kids were sick. A 12 year girl living with us also got it. So at night the open windows let out a chorus of hacking from our street. Our children got it from a 55 year old American nurse with whom we spent one or two days a week. She worked with street children on a weekly basis, which is most likely how she got it. She had a longer recovery period because of her age. It ended up lasing many months in our house because each of the three cases in our home developed two or three weeks from each other! I remember having a bowl by each child's bed for them to spit their phlegm in during the night and cleaning the bowls out each morning. This lasted for a month for each child. We didn't do any antibiotics or anything, just vitamin C. They only threw up once or so, usually just phlegm. After the contagious phase, we went swimming and did all the normal summertime activities, they mainly coughed only at night or when running. It is a hard disease because the kids act normal but sound horrible. Energy levels are not depleted so it is hard to make them rest. All in all, this sure beats chronic problems such as learning disabilities or allergies. As for me in my house, we'll take the natural childhood episodes. Makes life more interesting. I am glad we weren't in the States when it happened, or it would have been more stressful because of all the disease hysteria.

richard

55 posts

Re: The Experience of an Unvaccinated Child
Posted: 11 Mar 08 4:22 PM

Have been so busy the last twelve months never got around to finising the story. Eloise did get whooping cough it was the worst two months of our life. Deep down I knew she would be all right but the propaganda is going on in the back of your mind.

No one could give any advice. How do we know when its getting serious? Doctors told us she will turn blue, nasal flaring and head bobbing. For two months Elosise slept in our arms every night, if she was going to die we wanted to be with her.However nothing happened if the others had not been diagnosed with whooping cough we would not have hardly noticed the cough she had. What did we learn breast feeding is far more important to the health of a child than vaccination.

This is in the papers in England at the moment. Whooping cough has always been common except the doctors assumed if the child was vaccinated it was bronchiolitis now studies show the vaccine is only 50% effective.

Cases of whooping cough have nearly trebled since 2003, according to figures from the Department of Health. From BBC website.

The number of reported incidents of the highly infectious disease had fallen dramatically, but this latest data suggests they are starting to climb.

The Department of Health said cases of whooping cough had always fluctuated.

But the Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures, said they showed "public health schemes were failing to reach the people who need them most".

Other conditions are also on the rise, the figures suggest, including cholera, TB and typhoid.

Persistent cough

Babies, for whom whooping cough can be fatal, are immunised at two, three and four months, and again before they start school.

Before the vaccine was introduced in the 1950s England saw tens of thousands of cases each year, but this then rapidly fell to about 2,000 cases annually after the immunisation programme began.

But there have been blips: in 1991, for instance, there were nearly 5,000 cases, according to figures from the Health Protection Agency (HPA).

In 2003, there were just 386 cases in England but provisional figures suggest there were as many as 1,071 in 2007.

During this period, uptake of the jab remained steady over the last few years - around 93% or 94% coverage between 2003 and 2007.

Recent research from the University of Oxford said that while immunisation is effective, doctors needed to be aware that protection did not last indefinitely.

A child with a persistent cough should be investigated for whooping cough, researchers warned, even if they had been fully immunised.

Page 3 of 3

Previous 1 2 3

Discussions

We Have Not Vaccinated Our Children:

The Experience ...